Curse

Zell Murasame · Aug 04, 2005, 04:45 PM // 16:45

If I told you that it wouldn't be a secret, now would it? But trust me, it is definitely possible. I earn about 1000-2000 gold per run, 5 minutes to a run, easily making 5000.

Gedscho · Aug 04, 2005, 04:47 PM // 16:47

for me 15k armor is an indicator how much effort one invested in the game.

normally if you can say 120+ hours for that armor, you know how much experience that certain player has.
i dont care if you gotta grind like a millstone for such a piece.

problem is, people pay real money for ig gold to afford this, i guess.
so like in real life, there a dorks. and like in real life, they are usually rich.
and if you want to show "yes i was stupid enough to buy a bentley" then do it.

same with fissure armor.

if you want to keep the components from appearing ebay, make the items "untradeable" like the "nodrop" from AO. well, i hated the whole nodrop concept, but it would help alot against ebaying.

ergo: from me, there is a NO on the higher availability.
and i dont even have ONE piece of fissure armor.
i got one shard, and two globes. one sold, the other one was a a present, for the guy that went in UW with us on his birthday.

BigTru · Aug 04, 2005, 05:06 PM // 17:06

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Originally Posted by Zell Murasame

Have you ever considered that your calculations are WAY off? How does someone make 5000 gold in an hour when they're farming? I make 5000 gold in about 20 minutes. Plus, you were calculating for the most expensive piece. Besides, Fissure armor is the 'be all end all' of all armors. Once you get this, there is nothing (currently) more expesnive to get.

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Originally Posted by Zell Murasame

If I told you that it wouldn't be a secret, now would it? But trust me, it is definitely possible. I earn about 1000-2000 gold per run, 5 minutes to a run, easily making 5000.

Mabey you can make 5k every 5 minutes (yeah... right), but the majority of all people in this game cannot even make close to that. About 98% I'm guessing. Just because it is possible (if it is) doesn't mean it was intended, what with all the recent farming nerfs.

5k is the average amount most players get when farming.

and as for it being the 'be all end all' armor, please refer to my past posts.

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Originally Posted by Gedscho

for me 15k armor is an indicator how much effort one invested in the game.

normally if you can say 120+ hours for that armor, you know how much experience that certain player has.
i dont care if you gotta grind like a millstone for such a piece.

Grinding takes no "expierience".

And the problem is that it isn't 120 hours for the whole armor. It's 120 for one piece.

I'm not asking for it to cakewalk to get, I'm simply asking for it to be reasonable. Even if the Ectoplasm and Obsidian Shards drop rate doubled (not suggesting doubling it), it would STILL be much harder to obtain than any other armor.

Gedscho · Aug 04, 2005, 05:22 PM // 17:22

if one doesnt learn anything and gather experience in 500 hours of grinding, well.... then i dont know.

i always thought pve chars want theír "special achievement"... and after finishing the game you can:
pvp (sigils earn a lot, i heard

),
grind
help people

i think it was just karma, but the best drops i got from: helping lowlvls through missions and going to uw.
sure i didnt get much globes, but that sword i sold for 70k...

i like the drop rate... at this speed i can MAYBE afford the armor in one year...
i just dont want any ebayers to diminish my "accomplishment"

Teh Azman · Aug 04, 2005, 05:24 PM // 17:24

When I reached the fissure crafter guy, I thought it was gonna cost me 400k. I was excited, cuz I can do that...Too bad the day after was when they began to climb and I watched all my hope shatter -.-

I agree with the poster 100%, make it reasonable

Rellok · Aug 04, 2005, 05:26 PM // 17:26

I'm also against making the elite items easier to get. Some people like to grind, and want to have something to grind for. Just because something was added to the game, it doesn't mean it was meant for everyone to get. Everyone in theory could get it, but it's elite and expensive for a reason.

btw, I won't be farming for fissure armor.

Matt

hydrak · Aug 04, 2005, 05:31 PM // 17:31

It is ridiculous crying about something that is OPTIONAL.

Just enjoy the game unless you consider crying as enjoying.

EDIT: I bet that the people who are crying about the grinds of fissure armors or whatever are the same people who will cry about the game's lack of contents once they've gotten their fissure armors.

EF2NYD · Aug 04, 2005, 05:37 PM // 17:37

It's not impossible, you just have to work for it. Some people DO enjoy the "grind". Are all the whiners rushing places too?

kleps · Aug 04, 2005, 05:46 PM // 17:46

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Originally Posted by Zell Murasame

It's only asthetics. If you want your armor to look good, you have to dish out the cash. If you don't want to put all that effort into it, wear your Droknar's armor and live with it... If you want nice things you need to work. Stop complaining...

i completely agreed. the 15k armors are no different defensive wise from the 1.5k droknar armors, so its completed a moot point to buy them unless you've got loads of cash to spare. its not uber, it just looks different.

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Originally Posted by Isis Snowflame

5k in 20 min where are you farming that...???

read the numerous threads about farming because thats where its all at. a lot of places were already made public from previous posts.

sleazeh · Aug 04, 2005, 05:47 PM // 17:47

Personally, I don't think that the scarcity/drop rate of ecto or shards needs any attention. There's many, many more issues that require resolution.

Fissure armor, from my understanding, is meant to be extraordinarily rare. My preference is to keep it that way. Why devalue it by making it commonplace? And no, I don't yet have a set, nor do I know if I will ever save enough to craft one.

For the pure PvE player, there's not alot of endgame goals to strive for, fissure armor being one of the very few. For that player to finally achieve the goal of being one of the rare (at the moment) people to actually manage to craft it is a reward to some, recognition of the time they've spent amassing materials and money. If every second person in any town had fissure armor, then it becomes meaningless.

If you are one of the players who wants it, then do the work required to earn it. If you think 1.5M is not worth it for armor that has the same stats as 7.5k, then dont.

If money and materials are important to you, because you wish to buy/craft armor and items, then take the steps necessary to develop your character, your farming strategy and locations, and your money management techniques to maxmize your wealth. It's not hard to make money, if approached with some consideration and forethought. And one piece of advice - being a consistent money maker has very little to do with finding some "uber" item and selling it.

Even with consistent income, and disciplined saving, and some lucky drops, it will most admittedly take a long time to save for fissure armor. As it should be, in my opinion.

Let's not forget that this game is still only 3 months old, at least officically speaking. With the possibility of a game lifespan lasting years, I don't see the big hurry to rush and get your fissure armor today.

I'm actually hoping that more armor options are made available in future content updates for endgame players, with the same degree of expense and difficulty in procurement as fissure armor. Again, as something to strive towards, as well as providing a sense of unique individuality.

hydrak · Aug 04, 2005, 05:59 PM // 17:59

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Originally Posted by sleazeh

Personally, I don't think that the scarcity/drop rate of ecto or shards needs any attention. There's many, many more issues that require resolution.

Fissure armor, from my understanding, is meant to be extraordinarily rare. My preference is to keep it that way. Why devalue it by making it commonplace? And no, I don't yet have a set, nor do I know if I will ever save enough to craft one.

For the pure PvE player, there's not alot of endgame goals to strive for, fissure armor being one of the very few. For that player to finally achieve the goal of being one of the rare (at the moment) people to actually manage to craft it is a reward to some, recognition of the time they've spent amassing materials and money. If every second person in any town had fissure armor, then it becomes meaningless.

If you are one of the players who wants it, then do the work required to earn it. If you think 1.5M is not worth it for armor that has the same stats as 7.5k, then dont.

If money and materials are important to you, because you wish to buy/craft armor and items, then take the steps necessary to develop your character, your farming strategy and locations, and your money management techniques to maxmize your wealth. It's not hard to make money, if approached with some consideration and forethought. And one piece of advice - being a consistent money maker has very little to do with finding some "uber" item and selling it.

Even with consistent income, and disciplined saving, and some lucky drops, it will most admittedly take a long time to save for fissure armor. As it should be, in my opinion.

Let's not forget that this game is still only 3 months old, at least officically speaking. With the possibility of a game lifespan lasting years, I don't see the big hurry to rush and get your fissure armor today.

I'm actually hoping that more armor options are made available in future content updates for endgame players, with the same degree of expense and difficulty in procurement as fissure armor. Again, as something to strive towards, as well as providing a sense of unique individuality.

Very good and soothing points!

Kakumei · Aug 04, 2005, 06:08 PM // 18:08

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Originally Posted by BigTru

120 Hours for one piece of armor? Nobody should have to grind that much for ANYTHING.

And nobody has to.

BigTru · Aug 04, 2005, 06:18 PM // 18:18

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Originally Posted by sleazeh

Personally, I don't think that the scarcity/drop rate of ecto or shards needs any attention. There's many, many more issues that require resolution.

Fissure armor, from my understanding, is meant to be extraordinarily rare. My preference is to keep it that way. Why devalue it by making it commonplace? And no, I don't yet have a set, nor do I know if I will ever save enough to craft one.

Where, in any of my posts, did I EVER say I wanted to make it commonplace?

Quests are optional. Missions are optional. ALL armor is optional. Does that mean that they shouldn't be shown attention and be able to be completed in a REASONABLE amount of time just because they are all optional?

Kakumei · Aug 04, 2005, 06:20 PM // 18:20

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Originally Posted by BigTru

Quests are optional. Missions are optional. ALL armor is optional. Does that mean that they shouldn't be shown attention and be able to be completed in a REASONABLE amount of time just because they are all optional?

Quests and missions that give tangible and useful rewards and benefits are far different than a set of high-end armor that doesn't change anything but how you look.

BigTru · Aug 04, 2005, 06:20 PM // 18:20

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Originally Posted by Kakumei

And nobody has to.

Oh yeah, thanks for taking the wording so literal/out of context. Great job smart ass.

Kakumei · Aug 04, 2005, 06:21 PM // 18:21

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Originally Posted by BigTru

Oh yeah, thanks for taking the wording so literal/out of context. Great job smart ass.

Way to read all of the posts before replaying, quick draw mcgraw.

BigTru · Aug 04, 2005, 06:23 PM // 18:23

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Originally Posted by Kakumei

Way to read all of the posts before replaying, quick draw mcgraw.

I did, however I doubt you have seeing as you are bringing up old points that have already been posted and are just repeating the same thing I've already replied to.

Kakumei · Aug 04, 2005, 06:27 PM // 18:27

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Originally Posted by BigTru

I did, however I doubt you have seeing as you are bringing up old points that have already been posted and are just repeating the same thing I've already replied to.

Oh, I read them all. I just wanted to reply to that one particular bit of insight there because I've already voiced my opinion on the matter in the first reply to the thread.

EF2NYD · Aug 04, 2005, 06:37 PM // 18:37

All 15k set armors are supposed to be special. If not, why don't they give everyone auras or rank emotes?

velvetbunny · Aug 04, 2005, 06:38 PM // 18:38

If you make obsidian/ecto easier to get, more people will have fissure armor, it will become a standard thing, and you will just end up looking like everyone else. Now isn't the whole point of fissure armor to look cool and unique?

Oh and stop being lazy, if you cant make atleast 10k an hour farming, your not doing it very well. And don't ask me how to farm. You can find all kinds of great info in these forums with a little searching.